14 thoughts on “Are Mormons Christians?

  1. Mormons are Christians. We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the redeemer of our souls and it is by His atonement that all mankind is saved. We worship Him as the only begotten Son of God. He is Jehovah of the the Old Testament. No man returns to God except by His name. That makes us Christian.

    So what is the difference? Well, first, we believe in Christ as described in the New Testament. We reject the 5th Century creedal view traditional Christians say is the only true version. Their version says God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all wrapped into one unknowable amalgam. In fact the creedal version is a derivative of the ancient Greek philosophers. The original Christians never believed such a thing. Jesus, the apostles and the early Church members could not be considered Christian if you used the Trinitarian/creedal version. That is what Mitt Romney meant when he said we are a bit different.

  2. Scripture teaches that Jesus is the only begotten of the father–and by this it affirms that he is eternal with him, worshiped with him, and adored with him, together with the Holy Spirit. He alone has created us. He was not created, and had no beginning.

    We, on the other hand, are creatures. We aren’t eternal. We were created from dust. We are finite.

    Mormons don’t believe he was the only begotten–he’s but one of many spirit children of a “heavenly father” and “heavenly mother,” as we are. Mormons don’t believe he, with the Father and the Spirit, are the only one God, eternally subsisting as one God, but that there are other gods, of other worlds. Mormons believe “as he is now, we too can be; as we are now, so he once was”–that we, too, can become gods, worthy of worship.

    The creeds are not based on philosophy, but are the attempt to state lucidly and concisely what Scripture says. “Their version says God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all wrapped into one unknowable amalgam.” No, that’s not Christian teaching. That’s not what the Nicene Creed says.

    We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

    And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

    And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    That’s the Nicene Creed–and it is consistent with Scripture, not philosophy. That’s Christian teaching, and the place where we must draw the line between Christians and non-Christians.

  3. Bill
    I believe you are sincere. But you do not understand our theology. My post was just to correct an inaccurate view which was expressed elsewhere about us not being Christian. Of course you have another opinion which is expected….

  4. Bill
    If I am going to call you to repentance the least I can do is provide some sources. Three of the most authoritative sites are http://www.mormon.org for basic beliefs, http://www.fairlds.org for complex or in depth discussions on controversial subjects as well as some fundamental things and http://www.lib.byu.edu/Macmillan/ for the Mormon Encyclopedia at BYU. I urge you to resist the temptation to use only one source for background – especially excommunicated Mormons and those with anti-Mormon agendas. There are enough legitimate researchers who can help with a balanced view from which you can collect background information. Often these people cherry pick and take things out of context or without foundation in order to support their personal agendas.

  5. Bill
    As long as we are discussing theology, may I suggest the real basis for discussion isn’t the subordinate issues of Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon questions, polygamy and so forth. The foundation upon which all our extra biblical theology relies is the true nature of Deity and whether God has again opened the scriptural canon. That is where the discussion ought to go. Prove us wrong on these and the other issues are disproved by default.

  6. Bill
    Your first response is an opinion being expressed.
    The second one confirms what I said in my posts above. The third is from someone I do not know. The fourth is generally accepted to be accurate. The last is accepted as legitimate doctrine.

    Your questions to me were about a Heavenly Mother, a pre-mortal existence, God’s origins and man’s destiny. The references I gave you should answer your questions. In your post you wanted info about some people named Tanner. I don’t know them except that I know they were excommunicated and are anti-Mormons thus making whatever they publish immediately suspect. I advised you to not use such people because of their personal agenda is to discredit the church rather than accurately discuss our beliefs. Legitimate commentators will use other resources.

  7. These were all found on the pages to which you referred me.

    I did not ask for info about the Tanners. I asked you to respond to the citations of Mormon teaching they gave. Are they accurate or not? Since the sources to which you pointed me confirm what the Tanners aver to be Mormon teaching, I must conclude they are.

    All of these sources show the great gulf between Mormonism (a polytheistic religion) and Christianity.

  8. Bill
    I re-read your post about multiple gods. I think I better understand where you are going with that. The term Mormons have extrapolated on is theosis. This is an ancient concept.
    St. Athanasius of Alexandria, an early church father, wrote in the fourth century “God became human so humans would become gods”. This parallels the LDS version of man becoming like God but not God. Modern revelation puts a finer point on it. It is like a child wanting to be like his father but still being a separate person. He can live with Father having his attributes as we have been promised when we become partakers of Christ’s full inheritance. But the Godhead is still God. I am not clear on the finer points but I think it is something like perfected sons and daughters living with God having his authority and attributes. But like Christ said, he does nothing save he saw His father do it. All things He, Christ, does at the direction of Father and not on his own. Christ says he is the example for us for us to follow. We take those as literal. I don’t want to start slinging passage quotes unless you don’t know them. I think I can find them if you want me to.

  9. The “multiple Gods” comes in in two places; one is the divinization of humans, and the other is the reference to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as “three Gods” (not to mention the “heavenly mother”).

    The “theosis” of the Eastern Christians is something quite different. It still affirms a radical distinction between creature and creator. It has nothing in common with the Mormon idea that the gods-to-be will have their own planets, have their own spiritual children, and be worshiped by them.

  10. Bill
    I hope the reference sites I gave you will prove to be adequate resources. I always appreciate the chance to discuss theology with someone who treats the subject with respect. Whether we ever agree on anything is beside the point. http://www.BYUTV.com has an archive of graduate level discussions you might find interesting. I suggest you read The Book of Mormon sometime. Do so with an open mind, prayerfully, believing God will reveal its authenticity if you sincerely want to know.

  11. Bill
    I used theosis as a parallel to indicate that ancient Christian theology and modern theology have the same roots, not that one proves the other. The LDS version is not a modern invention. It has been around for a long time in one form or anther.

  12. I’ve read it. And the studies that reveal the sources Smith used to compile it. As to “theosis”–more a case of similar language than same belief. As to it being old — well, there are lots of old teachings that are wrong–“You shall be as gods. … You shall not surely die” being two very old ones.

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